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Town of Plainfield: Alright, I think we're… Oh, good evening. Do we have that… Portable microphone.

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Town of Plainfield: Yes. All right, so, is that working? Yes. All right, so, good evening, and welcome to the Plainfield Select Board meeting of, Monday, May 11th.

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Town of Plainfield: And, so we'll call the meeting to order, and the first thing I would ask is, are there any changes to the agenda?

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Town of Plainfield: I am aware of one, and that is the addition of the paving bids, on the bond vote that passed at town meeting.

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Town of Plainfield: Carl sent those to us on Friday, and he's going to join us later, and as are the bidders, I am told. I don't know whether that means in person or by Zoom, but,

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Town of Plainfield: We would, I propose adding that, in the section where we're dealing with the road and bridge standards and the roadside mowing contract, so… in no particular order. Yes. Are there any other changes to the agenda?

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Town of Plainfield: Hearing none… And I don't see Karen here yet, so… Are there any announcements?

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Town of Plainfield: Yes, Michael? Here.

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Town of Plainfield: Just because it won't necessarily be obvious, I am announcing my resignation as Emergency Management Director effective this evening. And, later in the evening, I hope to introduce

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Town of Plainfield: In addition to, whoever you appoint as my replacement, also the… another member of the team, just so you know who you're dealing with.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you, Michael. I will also announce that,

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Town of Plainfield: Next Monday, the 18th, is a…

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Town of Plainfield: public meeting here. We'll warn it as a special select board meeting, but this is a, what the contractors are calling a local concerns meeting, and this has to do with the, major, repairs

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Town of Plainfield: or whatever option we choose up the Brook Road, that 2-mile section, which involves

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Town of Plainfield: Three or four bridges, or three and a half bridges, and major washouts.

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Town of Plainfield: affectionately known as the Grand Canyon. But this is an opportunity, and just the first of a series of public inputs, and we'll hear more about that, but the HB, the contractor, will make about a 20-minute presentation, and then we will hear from the public.

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Town of Plainfield: As many as we can fit in. There is also the opportunity

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Town of Plainfield: to submit written comments, both ahead of time and after the meeting, if you don't get a chance to talk at that meeting. But we would encourage anyone with, thoughts, concerns, ideas, to come out and attend.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright, any other announcements?

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Town of Plainfield: Alright, hearing none, we'll move to public comment. Is there any public comment this evening?

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Town of Plainfield: Hearing none…

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Town of Plainfield: We will move to the town… I'll pause for one second. Greetings! We, we were just passing through public comment. Have you any public comments? Yes, my name's Russ Green, I live in. Might we invite you to the microphone? Sorry, my person. Russ, walk right in. Malcolm, Russ.

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Town of Plainfield: Hi, well, my name is Russ Green, I live at 120 Main Street. I'm a born and raised Vermonter, new to this area, just moved back, and I'm actually Rose's next-door neighbor, and I would like to,

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Town of Plainfield: joined the housing committee, I heard that there was a vacancy,

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Town of Plainfield: So any way that I'd be able to help out with that, I would love to. I'm a former landscape architect, so I have a little bit of experience with civic design.

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Town of Plainfield: I don't know how much time to play into that, but I currently work in tech as a designer, but I'd love to be able to contribute to that if I'm able.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you, Ron. Very nice, thank you. Alright, any other public comment?

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Town of Plainfield: Alrighty. Townfolk's report. Jamie, you're up. Shall I go?

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Town of Plainfield: Please. You can stand back. Sorry, Liza. It's a pot. Well, we're trying to make it work.

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Town of Plainfield: Hello. Okay. So…

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Town of Plainfield: So I feel like it was only the last summer board meeting that you all heard from me. There's not a whole lot to report, as far as big stuff.

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Town of Plainfield: But, I have a meeting with the implementation team of the upgraded phone and internet via Spectrum, which will be, like, a really big deal for, communications stuff. Town-wide, these…

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Town of Plainfield: This will be the first time we have a phone system that,

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Town of Plainfield: Where you can, like, press a button and transfer to, like, someone not in the building, or even someone in the building. Like, we don't have that yet, so… Planning that soon. That'll be great.

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Town of Plainfield: And ergonomically, too, where we will be able to have headsets, which is super important. No more ruined shoulders. And,

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Town of Plainfield: Oh, what was the other thing?

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Town of Plainfield: I don't know, I can't think of it now. Yeah, any questions about anything that I did or did not say?

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Town of Plainfield: Nope. Okay.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you! Well, I just wanted to thank you and Carol for… and Kristen for…

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Town of Plainfield: all the work you guys do, putting these packets together for us, that is invaluable. There's a lot of stuff in here that a lot of people have hands on. Tammy, I don't know if you had a hand in it, too. Oh, yeah. Well, thank you, too. Tammy has both hands in it. Yes. Yes, Andy?

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Town of Plainfield: I think I'll hold it.

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Town of Plainfield: Okay. Okay.

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Town of Plainfield: All right, next item we have is an update on the Treasurer and Financial Director position filling update.

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Town of Plainfield: Karen and I did, interview one candidate. I'm just looking to see if Karen has joined us yet, so…

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Town of Plainfield: And, we are not recommending that they be hired, so we still need a, town treasurer slash financial director.

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Town of Plainfield: We have, again, tweaked the description, and we'll be sending it out, reposting it on all the places that we've posted before.

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Town of Plainfield: But trying to focus a little bit more on attracting someone to… Our little town.

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Town of Plainfield: Understanding the scale, that we're a town of under 1,400 people, that we also have some…

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Town of Plainfield: recent traumas that, are affecting, in big ways, the financial reporting systems that we have. But also, that it's a small, intimate office setting, and that,

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Town of Plainfield: Yeah, we need someone who is focused and, pays attention to detail.

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Town of Plainfield: And, anyway… Any questions from the board?

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Town of Plainfield: She's breathing.

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Town of Plainfield: Okay.

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Town of Plainfield: So, next agenda item is the, Conservation Commission's recommendation to award conservation monies to the Vermont Land Trust.

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Town of Plainfield: And I believe you all received something from Rose Paul a little while back. Yeah.

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Town of Plainfield: And…

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Town of Plainfield: This is basically an expansion of, conservation of 15 acres of farmland on Country Club Road, adjacent to the home parcel of Tamarack Farm, organic vegetable farm owned by Amanda Andrews.

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Town of Plainfield: The Housing and Conservation Board is putting up $165,000 towards this, and they're asking us for the other two. And, it does take an action of the Select Board to appropriate monies from the Conservation Fund, so… Which has voted to recommend that we do this? Correct.

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Town of Plainfield: I would make a motion that we accept the recommendation of the Conservation Commission and award Vermont Land Trust in this

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Town of Plainfield: land being brought into Vermont Land Trust through Amanda Andrews' purchase for the, $2,000 coming out of the Conservation Commission's budget.

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Town of Plainfield: Coming from the conservation fund, reserve fund. Conservation Fund. Thank you. Does not come out of their operating budget. Thank you.

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Town of Plainfield: They don't have an operating budget that big. Is there a second? A second, yeah. And Patty seconds. Is there further discussion?

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Town of Plainfield: If not, all those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed? Passes unanimous, 4-0.

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Town of Plainfield: All right, is Carl here? Yes.

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Town of Plainfield: So, Carl, we did, adjust the agenda at the beginning to add the two paving contracts, but we have two other items, the, accept VTrans' new road and bridge standards for Vermont, and then the roadside mowing contract.

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Town of Plainfield: I'm…

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Karl: I'm here.

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Town of Plainfield: So, do you have any comment on the, road and bridge standards?

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Karl: Nothing from me.

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Town of Plainfield: And… That's in the folder, Peter.

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Town of Plainfield: Yup.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you.

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Town of Plainfield: Were there any questions or comments from the board?

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Town of Plainfield: And this is just an annual adoption, and it qualifies us for various forms of state aid. It comes through roads and bridges, but we just have to promise to do it to standards.

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Town of Plainfield: And… These are new for 2026.

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Town of Plainfield: And apparently, they sent him out to a lot of towns in January, and many towns

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Town of Plainfield: Did not pick that queue up, including us, so we were reminded So…

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Town of Plainfield: I would accept a motion to adopt them.

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Town of Plainfield: Make a motion to adopt the town road and bridge standards for the year 2026.

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Town of Plainfield: The town of Plainfield. Is there a second, Patty, again?

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Town of Plainfield: Is there any further discussion?

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Town of Plainfield: If not, all those in favor say aye. Aye.

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Town of Plainfield: Karen is here. Oh, Karen is here. And none opposed?

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Town of Plainfield: So, that passes unanimously 5-0. The roadside mowing contract.

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Town of Plainfield: I do not have that document.

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Town of Plainfield: Is it in here?

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Town of Plainfield: Carl, did you have a comment on the roadside model?

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Karl: Yeah, the person who's been doing the roadside mowing

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Karl: Has… has submitted a bid for a one- or two-year,

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Karl: at, $100 more than it was last year. The,

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Karl: And Michael is feeling that they do a good job, and there's no reason we shouldn't.

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Karl: Agree to, a two-year, because he will keep the price the same the second year.

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Karl: The hundred… the extra $100 reflects the increase in fuel, and… Steel parts that he needs.

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Town of Plainfield: Do we have a name?

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Karl: I don't have it in front of me, but if you don't have the bid, then .

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Town of Plainfield: I'm looking at it, I'm pulling it up now. We're searching for it.

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Karl: Okay.

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Town of Plainfield: Donald Dexter? Donald Dexter? Donald Dexter, does that sound right? Yep.

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Karl: That sounds correct.

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Town of Plainfield: This is double-pass mowing of the Class 2 and 3 roads, $7,600.

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Karl: Yep.

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Town of Plainfield: I mean, if our road foreman is recommending this, and a road commissioner is also recommending this, I would make a motion that we vote to approve

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Town of Plainfield: roadside mowing contract with Donald Dexter?

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Town of Plainfield: pores… And he submits a certificate of insurance.

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Town of Plainfield: He's one of the ones who… He did. He did. Good. Thank you. No, wait, wait. You say he did? We… he's one of the ones we were missing last year, so I want to make sure that we get a certificate of insurance that's part of the deal of hiring someone.

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Town of Plainfield: So there's a condition here. He needs a certificate of Indiana.

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Town of Plainfield: Okay, conditional to, presentation of proof of insurance.

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Town of Plainfield: We are authorizing $7,600, for…

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Town of Plainfield: a 2-year contract, although I believe it's… would be… no?

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Town of Plainfield: You shing your head now? Oh, sorry, no, I'm just switching. Is it $7,600 for each year? Per year? Per year. For double-pass mowing of Class 2 and 3 roads in town. Conditioned on proof of insurance?

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Town of Plainfield: Is there a second?

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Town of Plainfield: I'll second here. And Patty seconds again. Any further discussion?

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Town of Plainfield: Alright, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye.

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Town of Plainfield: Karen, you with us? Karen Whitman? I did, I did.

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Town of Plainfield: Okay. I'm sorry, I was looking at your mute, but I see you over there. Oh, now, okay. Okay. All right, thank you. That's 5 to nothing unanimous on there. All right, Carl, we now have, two bids for paving. This is on…

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Town of Plainfield: Main Street, Main Street Extension, and a little bit of School Street.

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Town of Plainfield: Did you want to comment on the two bids that we have?

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Karl: The main issue, I had a…

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Karl: conversation today with Michael about the difference in pricing on the two bids.

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Karl: Allstate and Pike, are both highly qualified people to do the job. Allstate came in

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Karl: somewhere around $30,000 less, and I was… wanted to find out

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Karl: why that was. Both are underneath the, the bond vote approval that we had last town meeting. It turns out that Allstate would require the town to do the,

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Karl: Fine leveling, and, which is,

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Karl: the final pass before paving to get the sand and gravel, uniformly level, and any holes filled, and so on. So it's… it's… it's an amount… different amount of work, an extra amount of work, and, Allstate did not bid that in their bid

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Karl: Where Pike did. And also, Allstate would take the grindings. This would be what was…

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Karl: ground-up asphalt, essentially, and we would… they were asking us to have a place where they could dump it in town. We don't have such a site.

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Karl: And Pike, again, was going to take it up to their plant in Berlin to reprocess it. So, I think that's pretty clearly the difference in

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Karl: Pricing between the two, and because we'd… would rather not…

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Karl: Have the time or responsibility to level the…

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Karl: The, base, with our own machinery, and also because we don't really have a place to dump.

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Town of Plainfield: the asphalt.

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Karl: grindings. Michael is leaning to the pike bid.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you very much, Carl, that makes sense. So we have Allstate Construction at $167,501, and we have Pike Industries at $197,759.50. As Carl said, they're both underneath the approved, voter-approved, vote.

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Town of Plainfield: So, is there a preference for a motion by a board member?

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Town of Plainfield: Good question? Yep.

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Town of Plainfield: I didn't hear it mentioned how the culvert under the lower portion of Main Street would be replaced. It has been discussed, and I thought, theoretically, there was a solution to that, that the pipe be replaced before the street was…

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Town of Plainfield: Paige, has that been addressed? I did have a conversation with Michael Bingham the other day, and he mentioned actually two culverts that they would replace while the…

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Town of Plainfield: Yes.

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Karl: He, he's gonna… he's gonna replace two culverts on Main Street prior to the paving.

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Town of Plainfield: Excuse me.

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Karl: Planning to do that this month.

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Town of Plainfield: Yeah, okay, great, thank you. Yeah. Alright.

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Town of Plainfield: Is there someone who would like to make a motion?

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Town of Plainfield: I can make a motion, to accept and approve Pike Industries.

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Town of Plainfield: Estimate proposal, dated 5-8-26.

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Town of Plainfield: To the sum of 197,000.

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Town of Plainfield: 759…

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Town of Plainfield: 50. 50 cents. 50 cents. 50 cents. Can you give me that number? Yeah, I'd be happy to. That came out pretty awkwardly. 197. Yep. 759…

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Town of Plainfield: 50.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you. Yep. And this is for Main Street, Main Street Extension, and School Street Faven.

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Town of Plainfield: Is there a second? I'll second in the gallon. Patty is… Seconding again. Any further discussion?

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Town of Plainfield: If not, all those in favor? Aye.

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Karen Hatcher: Aye.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright, Pike wins it, 5-0. Alright.

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Karl: Thank you all.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you, Carl. Thank you, Carl. Thanks for joining us. Thanks to the road crew.

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Town of Plainfield: Okay…

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Town of Plainfield: Alright, so now we're gonna move into emergency mode for the next three items, and we have an appointment. Emergency management. There is a difference.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright, and as we heard earlier, Michael Billingsley has resigned.

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Town of Plainfield: effective this evening, so we have a vacancy. And we have a recommendation for a replacement. Michael, would you want to introduce…

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Town of Plainfield: And sail. Yes, for everyone who is…

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Town of Plainfield: Keeping track, michael, stand back a little. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'll turn this way, too, you know? I just don't have to blast it.

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Town of Plainfield: First of all, I'm Michael Billingsley, former Emergency Management Director. And, I'd like to, introduce everyone to Matt Bergeron, who's at the back of the room. And Matthew is a,

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Town of Plainfield: He's got a Plainfield phone number and Plainfield address. He actually lives just over the line in North Montourier, but a quick drive down 214, so he can get here even when there's high water.

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Town of Plainfield: And, we, are in a support mode right now, so that he's learning the job, and that will probably continue for a few more months, as I am not…

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Town of Plainfield: pulling out hard, but actually in a very soft, graduated way. And also, we have in our team, or if you could just stand up, Alyssa, we have Alyssa Vigil, who's been my assistant for the last month or so, and will be coming back to be Matthew's assistant in August, and so we'll actually have

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Town of Plainfield: a several-person team, which will, primarily be, led by Matthew, but I will be in a support role, Alyssa will be in a support role, and Denise Wheeler, who is not here tonight, but who is, you might know from the, Twin Valley Senior Center, is our Emergency Operations Center,

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Town of Plainfield: person who would be here in the room during, excuse me, downstairs in the Emergency Operations Center during any emergency, and her title is Emergency Management Coordinator. So, we have a fairly close-knit team, and I think we'll just spend the next 6 months learning about each other and making sure everybody can do their job.

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Town of Plainfield: Matthew, do you want to, ask Matthew to come to the mic? Yeah, Matthew, come on up.

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Town of Plainfield: Say a few words for the folks.

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Town of Plainfield: Is this now off?

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Town of Plainfield: It seemed to have gone away. We're learning technology. Keith Swan is training us this evening on…

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Town of Plainfield: How to run all the mics, so… What are you saying, alright. What would you like to know?

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Town of Plainfield: Will your computer try again? Is that there? Yeah. It's sort of there. Okay, alright, thank you.

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Town of Plainfield: Okay, no, I was… I didn't know what he was doing, I didn't want to talk to you. So basically, I worked at Central Vermont Medical Center for 15 years. 10 years of it, I did emergency management up there. I was writing their…

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Town of Plainfield: And all their, you know, all their,

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Town of Plainfield: Emergency exercises, everything that you could imagine, I get.

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Town of Plainfield: 10 years before that, I was actually the president of the Volunteer Ambulance Service for Williamstown.

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Town of Plainfield: So I know it's all, you know, involved with your part and everything, how it works, how it should go. But at the same time, I also did training for new EMS providers, and I also did trainings and helped with certifications for first responders and EMPs.

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Town of Plainfield: And I was on the board for a while, until finally we hired a full-time person, so I could step back, and he could take that, so I could continue with the volunteer part, until I got done when I started working up at the hospital.

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Town of Plainfield: Prior to that, I was also a junior firefighter when I first started at 16 for Berry City. Got onto the call force.

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Town of Plainfield: And that's when I started doing some emergency management stuff.

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Town of Plainfield: I used to do a lot of stuff out in the field. So, anytime they needed a rescue, or recovery, or, you know, any type of help, I was there, out in the field, with State of Homeland Emergency Management.

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Town of Plainfield: While I was at the hospital, I got my bachelor's degree in human health and emergency management.

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Town of Plainfield: Graduated back in 2020.

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Town of Plainfield: And still kinda did stuff in the background, helping out different organizations.

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Town of Plainfield: Place where my mother used to live was at the high-rise at North Berry Manor.

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Town of Plainfield: They had issues during the pandemic. They didn't have much written, they didn't know what to do.

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Town of Plainfield: I stepped in and kind of wrote up a few things, gave them their guidelines of what they needed to follow, kept them up to speed, and also helped CDMC do the same thing throughout the whole pandemic.

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Town of Plainfield: I enjoy working in the public.

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Town of Plainfield: I don't ask for really anything. I don't really look for pay. And I didn't even know that, believe it or not, that they had an emergency management director here.

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Town of Plainfield: The only time I found out was back in January, when I was celebrating my wife's birthday, and lo and behold, on CAX, they had a little signet.

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Town of Plainfield: My wife laughed at me because she looked at me after, like, an hour after I saw it.

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Town of Plainfield: She goes, what's taken you so long? And I had my phone in my hand, and I'm looking at it, and she goes.

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Town of Plainfield: About time. So, that's when I emailed Michael.

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Town of Plainfield: And he's been, you know, really down to her, helping me out, showing me, you know, here and there, you know, what is expected, what to look for.

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Town of Plainfield: And knowing that I still haven't for a little while, to actually get into the role, and get my beat going.

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Town of Plainfield: You know… I just… look for your approval to be nominated.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright.

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Town of Plainfield: Anyone like to make a motion? Yeah, I'll move.

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Town of Plainfield: I will move to approve Matthew Bergeron as, our next Emergency Management Director.

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Town of Plainfield: Until March of 2027. Yeah. Basically, it's an annual appointment, renewed after town meeting and the organizational meeting of the Select Board.

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Town of Plainfield: At that time, so… Yeah. Great.

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Karen Hatcher: I'll second.

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Town of Plainfield: And Karen seconds.

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Town of Plainfield: Any further discussion?

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Town of Plainfield: If not, I'll make a note.

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Town of Plainfield: You are, you are eminently overqualified for the position. So, thank you for showing up as an overqualified person. Thank you. Thank you, Andy. All right, all those in favor, please say aye.

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Karen Hatcher: Bye!

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Town of Plainfield: Any opposed? All right, it's unanimous, 5-0. Welcome aboard. And thank you, Michael, for being his predecessor, and doing so well.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright, now we have some administrative stuff to do along with this. Right. There is a delegation of authority, which I printed out, and I just need to know,

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Town of Plainfield: Basically…

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Town of Plainfield: You want to explain this, Michael? Sure. Just basically, in a nutshell, what this all does. Yeah. Pretty easy. In the first…

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Town of Plainfield: three days to 2 weeks of a disaster. When everything's turned upside down, the emergency management director is trying to pull together dozens of resources, volunteers, and contributed, labor and contributed goods, and as a consequence, they need to be able to act on behalf of the town. So the delegation of authority

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Town of Plainfield: Gives in both the context of a disaster, emergency powers to, coordinate and to, get people through it, and in other times gives them administrative power to oversee things like the improvement of the shelter and the,

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Town of Plainfield: Requisitioning of goods that would be needed to do the emergency management job on our

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Town of Plainfield: regular basis, through the course of the year. So that's what a delegation authority is. There are some

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Town of Plainfield: specific sums of money involved, which include that, which was approved by the select board already for the emergency management budget, as well as a small emergency fund to be able to expend if, in fact, emergency purchases need to be made in the first week or two.

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Town of Plainfield: Yes, I was looking at the numbers that are in here, and the…

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Town of Plainfield: administrative account, $6,986. That's all except for the stipends and the special fund. That's correct. So, I did notice, and you requested in an email, raising the dollar amount that he's authorized to spend from $500 to $1,000. However, our procurement…

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Town of Plainfield: Policy, procurement policy specifies $500, so we would also have to amend

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Town of Plainfield: Our purchasing and procurement policy, and

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Town of Plainfield: I think we need to do that probably at a forthcoming meeting. Ginger back to 500 for now? Yeah. Okay. We'll just leave it at 500 for now. Here, I had a question? Yep.

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Town of Plainfield: Does this delegation authority, doesn't it automatically come with a position? Because we are actually naming Matthew as the recipient of this, as opposed to the EMB.

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Town of Plainfield: So I'm curious about that. I mean, whatever, you know, whatever the protocol is, I'm fine with, but it struck me as odd that it's about a person as opposed to the position.

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Town of Plainfield: Sure.

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Town of Plainfield: This is something the state has been fine-tuning for the last 5 years. More than anything, it is a…

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Town of Plainfield: Emergency management directors are all kinds of stripes of people, and they may or may not take the authority or whatever could be considered a town-by-town definition of an emergency management director. This is the state's boilerplate language for what an emergency management director can do and will be expected to do according to the legal requirements.

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Town of Plainfield: That's why it's… It's actually fairly precise, and it has signatures at every page, and that kind of thing.

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Town of Plainfield: Does that answer your question? Well enough. Okay. I mean, there's a bunch of things here that are written down in boxes checked, and then there's places to add stuff. There's nothing added. Have you seen this? Oh, yeah.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright.

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Town of Plainfield: Any other questions on the delegation of authority?

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Town of Plainfield: And apparently… I think we're… you're signing on behalf of the board, Peter. That's what it looks like.

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Town of Plainfield: I would make a motion to approve a delegation of authority to Matthew Bergeron, and to have Select Board Chair Peter Youngbear sign on behalf of the Plainfield Select Board.

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Town of Plainfield: I'll sit…

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Karen Hatcher: Hmm.

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Town of Plainfield: I guess.

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Town of Plainfield: Go ahead, Ken.

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Karen Hatcher: Is there more?

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Town of Plainfield: No, that's fine.

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Town of Plainfield: Are you seconding?

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Karen Hatcher: I was going to, but only if she's…

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Town of Plainfield: This is finished. Yes, I'm done, thank you.

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Karen Hatcher: Okay.

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Town of Plainfield: All right, so there's a motion that we approve and authorize Peter to sign. Any further discussion?

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Town of Plainfield: If not, all those in favor say aye. Aye.

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Karen Hatcher: Aye.

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Town of Plainfield: And opposed? And that has passed 5-0.

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Town of Plainfield: And we'll make sure that gets signed at the end of the meeting.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright. Would you like to sign it now, actually?

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Town of Plainfield: Well, and there's initials on each page, is that the way this works?

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Town of Plainfield: Yes.

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Town of Plainfield: I can take over for that.

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Town of Plainfield: Next up, while Peter, signs the delegation of authority, is the 2026 Local Emergency Management Plan, just re-upped for this year. Would you like to introduce it, Michael? Or, actually, Matthew, would you like to introduce it? I think I should do it, because I prepared it, so… Fair enough.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you. And when I say, I prepared it, I prepared it with help, and it is, opens with who prepared it, and it includes myself, as well as Sid Pollack, who is Vermont Emergency Management's Regional Coordinator.

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Town of Plainfield: basically the person who looks over my shoulder, as well as Alyssa Mitchell, who is my, assistant, and has been, extraordinarily

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Town of Plainfield: inform also of Vermont Emergency Management. Basically, this is the,

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Town of Plainfield: multiple types of information that the state might need, or that contractors might need, to know who to contact, and who can step forward, and who can do what in the context of an emergency. It also… or a disaster, and it also names

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Town of Plainfield: those places where you have vulnerable populations, such as Twinfield School, where there are people, or where there are people with special needs who may need to be, evacuated rapidly in the event of something like a flood. So, it is really basically

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Town of Plainfield: A constantly updated, well, it should be constantly updated document, which acts as a guide for first responders, for state emergency management, for our regional people, and for everybody in town.

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Town of Plainfield: So, is there a copy, then, I'm understanding, both with the state and with each one of the emergency response?

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Town of Plainfield: organizations that we are with, they all have a copy of the playing field LEMP. It's actually stored in a location on the state website where everyone who would need to could go to it. It wouldn't necessarily be people who even know about them. And the other thing about it is that

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Town of Plainfield: the, the people who are… First… Point of contact.

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Town of Plainfield: For the town, in regards to certain contexts, you know, Peter Youngbear, as an example, is his name, is as a first point of contact. Our fire chief is the first point of contact. Matthew is the first point of contact.

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Town of Plainfield: And it's already been updated to include Matthew.

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Town of Plainfield: It should lastly be pointed out, which Peter has brought to your attention, in the past.

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Town of Plainfield: When this is signed, prior to the 1st of June, it then makes us eligible for FEMA funding

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Town of Plainfield: Should any be coming our way. And if we don't have this completed on an annual basis, either if we… or unless we've gotten an authorization from Washington to delay it, it would mean that we would not be able to receive funds that we might qualify for.

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Town of Plainfield: So it is actually a threshold document.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you, Michael.

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Town of Plainfield: Dr. Sources question.

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Town of Plainfield: So, Michael, I ask you this privately, but I'll ask you this publicly. There's a lot of emails, there's a lot of phone numbers, there's, like, an infinite number of contacts in there.

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Town of Plainfield: Are all those phone numbers accurate? Are all those emails accurate?

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Town of Plainfield: Between Alyssa and myself, we've confirmed all of them. Thank you, John.

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Town of Plainfield: And names are spelled right. And names are spelled right, we hope? Like Young Bear, for example? Dan Cabby. Oh, yeah. That didn't get fixed? That did get fixed, yes, it did. I think it was good. I think it was fixed. Oh, it did get fixed. It did get fixed, yes. Alright.

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Town of Plainfield: Alrighty.

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Town of Plainfield: Do we have a motion on the limp? I'll move to approve.

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Town of Plainfield: Andy moves to approve the Local Emergency Management Plan. Is there a second? Second.

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Town of Plainfield: Mrs. Rose seconds. Any further discussion? I think you are signing on our behalf once again, so it's signed by Peter Youngblare on behalf of the Plainfield Select Board.

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Town of Plainfield: Any further discussion?

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Town of Plainfield: If not, all those in favor say aye. Aye.

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Karen Hatcher: Hi.

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Town of Plainfield: Opposed?

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Town of Plainfield: And that is unanimous as well.

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Town of Plainfield: And…

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Town of Plainfield: It looks like there's two places here to sign.

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Town of Plainfield: One as the select board member, and also signing as the certifying individual as someone who has the ICS1 training. Actually, anyone could sign on the second line, but you would be the one to sign.

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Town of Plainfield: Not anyone, but… Hey, buddy, sign this. You know?

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Town of Plainfield: Okay, thank you.

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Town of Plainfield: Alrighty.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you. We are now out of emergency management mode. Well, not exactly. We're now into FEMA mode. Oh, that's me. This is… this is the integrity contract, so… Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, Alyssa, and welcome, Matt. Thank you.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright, so this has to do with the task order on integrity group. Karen, did you want to speak to this?

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Karen Hatcher: I will. So, usually, we have.

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Town of Plainfield: An annual.

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Karen Hatcher: task order for the work that the integrity group does with us for the FEMA claims.

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Karen Hatcher: Somehow we, missed it at the end of last year, caught it now. We haven't… we didn't overspend on the first one, the one we were using, but we do expect that there will still be some expenses between now and the end of the year.

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Karen Hatcher: At which point, I think we're going to be pretty close to closing out our FEMA claims, at that point. So this is the last.

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Karen Hatcher: task order that would allow, billing up until that limit that's on that task order. So, just

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Karen Hatcher: I did negotiate it down based on the hours that I believe we need, so, that we're not getting billed for more than that, and I do check the invoices every month when they come in.

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Karen Hatcher: So, just need the board to approve and sign that task order, and then I'll get it over to the integrity group.

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Town of Plainfield: Karen, I have a question for you. Is this connected to the application for federal assistance? No. No. Different. That's the EWP. Okay, thank you.

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Karen Hatcher: Different, two different things, yeah.

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Town of Plainfield: Thank you.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright, so this is, 385 hours at 59,575.

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Karen Hatcher: Yeah, that's the maximum.

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Town of Plainfield: Right, and that basically comes out of the reimbursements that we.

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Karen Hatcher: Yeah, we get… we'll get that… most of that back, yeah.

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Town of Plainfield: Okay.

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Town of Plainfield: Alrighty.

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Town of Plainfield: Alright, so I would entertain a motion. Make a motion to improve. Improve? Approve? Did I say improve? Please do. To approve.

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Town of Plainfield: A contract with the integrity group, task order number 2, dated January 2025, disaster recovery consulting services.

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Karen Hatcher: Dated January 2020… wait a minute.

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Town of Plainfield: No, it's dated April 28th. Oh, the task order number 2, though, is 2025-01.

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Town of Plainfield: That's just the order number.

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Karen Hatcher: What's the owner number?

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Karen Hatcher: It was dated April.

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Town of Plainfield: April 28th, 2026.

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Karen Hatcher: That's the one.

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Town of Plainfield: April 28th of this year. Give me the task order number again, please. Number 2? Yes. 2025. 2-225? No, 2025. Got it. Dash 01. Thank you.

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Town of Plainfield: Is there a second?

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Town of Plainfield: One second.

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Town of Plainfield: Patty, seconds.

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Town of Plainfield: Any further discussions?

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Town of Plainfield: If not, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? And that is also unanimous. And I don't… you might need to authorize…

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Town of Plainfield: You to sign on our behalf?

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Town of Plainfield: think you did in your movie? That's what we just did. Great.

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Town of Plainfield: Funny.

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Karen Hatcher: I've got the next item.

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Town of Plainfield: Okay, the next item on the agenda, this is the, grant extension.

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Karen Hatcher: Emergency watershed Protection.

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Town of Plainfield: EWP, yep.

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Karen Hatcher: Yeah, so the… the short… the short story around this is that we did sign, an extension that took us through the end of,

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Karen Hatcher: Which year are we in? Took us through the end of this year, and it came back from the feds saying, we're not approving it, we only want to extend through the end of November. So, it only requires Peter's signature. It's,

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Karen Hatcher: And, that's it.

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Town of Plainfield: Is this? Okay.

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Town of Plainfield: And so, how… and so the difference between what we did a month ago, the vote that we signed a month ago, is just changing that to no.

338
00:43:56.530 --> 00:43:59.550
Karen Hatcher: One month, yeah, one month date to the end of November.

339
00:43:59.850 --> 00:44:03.260
Town of Plainfield: Okay. Instead of December, okay? Yep.

340
00:44:06.080 --> 00:44:11.249
Town of Plainfield: Any further discussion? If not, I'd entertain a motion.

341
00:44:14.690 --> 00:44:18.610
Town of Plainfield: Motion to approve the application.

342
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.500
Town of Plainfield: for federal assistance from EWP.

343
00:44:22.500 --> 00:44:24.170
Karen Hatcher: Extension.

344
00:44:35.130 --> 00:44:36.570
Town of Plainfield: Through November.

345
00:44:36.790 --> 00:44:41.480
Town of Plainfield: In November of which year? 2026. Thank you. So moved.

346
00:44:41.860 --> 00:44:48.319
Town of Plainfield: So, Francis moves. Is there a second? Patty did it first.

347
00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:55.820
Town of Plainfield: And all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All those opposed?

348
00:44:56.330 --> 00:44:57.370
Town of Plainfield: None?

349
00:44:57.670 --> 00:45:00.969
Town of Plainfield: 5-0, unanimous, again, thank you.

350
00:45:03.930 --> 00:45:06.380
Town of Plainfield: And this is the 11th.

351
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:27.380
Town of Plainfield: Here you go. Thank you. All right. And we are up to approval of draft minutes of April 27th.

352
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:47.379
Town of Plainfield: So, I read it and caught one change, which is our buddy Charlie Cotville was present at the last meeting, so… but the minutes reflected Charlie was present. And this is April 27th? Yeah.

353
00:45:50.410 --> 00:45:58.460
Town of Plainfield: Alright. Tammy's attachment, though. Tammy? Also, at the last meeting, we had indicated that we were going to attach…

354
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:13.620
Town of Plainfield: Aaron's email reported to you guys about the FEMA, and that was not attached to the minutes. So can we attach those, or I don't know if you need to do this at a later date and attach them?

355
00:46:13.620 --> 00:46:28.090
Town of Plainfield: But we… it was indicated that, that we were doing that. Yes, thank you. Yeah, anything you want me to attach, please forward to me, because I didn't get, like, Arian's email, for example. Okay, why don't I do that right now? Okay, amazing. Thank you.

356
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:45.509
Town of Plainfield: And just for catching Charlie Cogville, by the way, on that, good, good catch, but at the meeting before, you had said you would look into

357
00:46:45.680 --> 00:46:47.480
Town of Plainfield: Who we had to list.

358
00:46:47.990 --> 00:47:02.619
Town of Plainfield: Yes, we don't have to list everybody. Let me give me the mic. My understanding from talking to the Vermont League of Cities and Towns is that we are required to include select board members and anyone else who is quote-unquote active in the meeting.

359
00:47:03.610 --> 00:47:06.049
Town of Plainfield: Which presumably means anyone who speaks up.

360
00:47:06.250 --> 00:47:07.910
Town of Plainfield: For any reason. Yeah.

361
00:47:08.380 --> 00:47:18.410
Town of Plainfield: So, but I think you've gone further than that, Jamie, and you're attempting to include everybody, and there's no downside to that, but in terms of what is legally required, that's what's required.

362
00:47:18.600 --> 00:47:19.670
Town of Plainfield: Thank you.

363
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:27.780
Town of Plainfield: Alrighty. So, do we have a motion to accept the, draft minutes of April 27th as amended?

364
00:47:28.640 --> 00:47:29.750
Karen Hatcher: I'll make that motion.

365
00:47:30.940 --> 00:47:34.760
Town of Plainfield: Karen makes it. I'll second. Handy seconds it. Thank you.

366
00:47:35.190 --> 00:47:36.810
Town of Plainfield: Further discussion?

367
00:47:36.940 --> 00:47:42.320
Town of Plainfield: If not, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed?

368
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:44.839
Town of Plainfield: 5 to zip.

369
00:47:45.520 --> 00:47:46.870
Town of Plainfield: Alright.

370
00:47:47.130 --> 00:47:49.400
Town of Plainfield: We have warrants.

371
00:47:50.010 --> 00:48:04.779
Town of Plainfield: Always. Peter, while before we do that, I have a sort of agenda question. We have someone who showed up last minute to join the Housing Committee. Do we attend to that this evening, or do we attend to that at the next select board meeting?

372
00:48:07.070 --> 00:48:09.020
Town of Plainfield: It's really our choice.

373
00:48:09.380 --> 00:48:10.080
Town of Plainfield: Come on.

374
00:48:11.500 --> 00:48:14.960
Town of Plainfield: So, that's up if somebody wants to make a motion.

375
00:48:15.380 --> 00:48:15.740
Karen Hatcher: Who isn'.

376
00:48:16.270 --> 00:48:19.410
Town of Plainfield: But we're in the middle of… Oh, Karen missed this part.

377
00:48:19.640 --> 00:48:20.170
Karen Hatcher: Yeah, sorry.

378
00:48:20.170 --> 00:48:24.509
Town of Plainfield: My neighbor, new neighbor, Robs.

379
00:48:24.700 --> 00:48:42.159
Town of Plainfield: Introduced himself at the beginning of this meeting, with a statement of desire and intent, if we'll have him, to join the now-empty spot on the Cleanfield Housing Advisory Committee. And I informally interviewed him in my garden.

380
00:48:45.650 --> 00:48:50.119
Karen Hatcher: Okay. I was… I wasn't aware that there was an empty spot. Did someone resign?

381
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.930
Town of Plainfield: Vicki McDonald. Vicki McDonald stepped in.

382
00:48:52.930 --> 00:48:54.720
Karen Hatcher: I see. Okay, got it.

383
00:48:55.170 --> 00:49:09.910
Town of Plainfield: Yeah, and we did ask them, them meaning the Housing Advisory Committee, if they had any suggestions for replacements, and to my awareness, we haven't received any. Okay. Russ seems eminently qualified, and of,

384
00:49:10.370 --> 00:49:13.890
Town of Plainfield: in a good spirit for the position, it might have been me.

385
00:49:13.890 --> 00:49:15.340
Karen Hatcher: Okay, thank you.

386
00:49:18.660 --> 00:49:24.220
Karen Hatcher: We were in the middle of something else, but I'm… I'm happy to go forward with it if the group wants to.

387
00:49:25.250 --> 00:49:27.980
Town of Plainfield: We had… we were about to start in on the warrants.

388
00:49:28.380 --> 00:49:29.410
Town of Plainfield: So…

389
00:49:32.890 --> 00:49:42.949
Town of Plainfield: What do you want to do? I'd like to make a motion. Maybe… what's your last name, Ross? Green, like the color, with a D at the end. I would, make a motion to…

390
00:49:43.060 --> 00:49:50.110
Town of Plainfield: appoint Russ Green to the empty position on the Cleanfield Housing Advisory Commission. I accepted that.

391
00:49:50.240 --> 00:50:02.629
Town of Plainfield: So, any discussion? Yes, this is now the time for discussion. So, I guess I just have to… I mean, I wasn't aware of the situation either, so is that something… I know at the original,

392
00:50:03.340 --> 00:50:06.639
Town of Plainfield: and this goes for any committee, I guess.

393
00:50:06.720 --> 00:50:10.379
Town of Plainfield: When are we allowing the community to…

394
00:50:10.410 --> 00:50:28.379
Town of Plainfield: be aware of situations that these positions are available, and then allow people to apply for them, versus… it sounds like Karen didn't even know, I guess, so I'm just curious on how do we… how do we pick the best candidates? I know when we initially did this.

395
00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:31.229
Town of Plainfield: Committee, there was an application process.

396
00:50:31.230 --> 00:50:45.690
Town of Plainfield: And it feels like our… and Ross, I… no offense. I don't even know you, and you seem like a very nice guy, and I'm glad you're… you're willing to… but I'm just thinking in general, like, we had a process, and is this something that we…

397
00:50:45.850 --> 00:50:55.120
Town of Plainfield: Should maybe think about putting a process in place to allow the community as a whole to apply for open positions, and…

398
00:50:55.220 --> 00:51:14.299
Town of Plainfield: find the best candidate for that. And Ross may be it. He might be the only one, he might be a great candidate. I don't know, but I just think there was a process originally. I think Vicki stepped down… it was a couple weeks ago, I believe, is that true? I was at the last select board, and it wasn't mentioned, so I don't know how… probably…

399
00:51:14.300 --> 00:51:17.480
Town of Plainfield: No, it's a fair point, yeah, it's a fair question. What's up, Karen?

400
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:21.940
Karen Hatcher: Yeah, I have a question about whether or not the committee itself, in its

401
00:51:22.020 --> 00:51:29.740
Karen Hatcher: In its rulemaking or general guidelines and the way it was going to operate, determined how it wanted to deal with if it had an opening.

402
00:51:29.740 --> 00:51:43.390
Karen Hatcher: So, I wonder about that, and so it might make sense for us to inquire before any appointment is made or any next step is taken, just to see if they discussed how they would want to handle that as a group.

403
00:51:45.330 --> 00:51:50.260
Town of Plainfield: I'm hearing that on a number of fronts, there are ways that we can… Microphone.

404
00:51:51.550 --> 00:52:08.850
Town of Plainfield: there are ways that we can, include a wider swath of community in this decision, both within the Housing Advisory Committee and more generally. Like, I don't believe Vicki's

405
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:16.750
Town of Plainfield: seat vacant has yet made it to the Plainfield webpage, like, the homepage. So, point taken.

406
00:52:17.450 --> 00:52:24.189
Town of Plainfield: You can, sounds like we're gonna return to this conversation. Are you, are you gonna withdraw your motion? Do I… yes.

407
00:52:25.390 --> 00:52:27.240
Town of Plainfield: Do you agree with that, Patty?

408
00:52:28.700 --> 00:52:30.979
Town of Plainfield: I hate to have someone, like,

409
00:52:31.890 --> 00:52:56.770
Town of Plainfield: Ross come in and say no roll right away, but I guess… I guess I will have prejudiced. I know, I just… I just… did you hear all the stuff he's capable and can do? I, I did. I lost. Again, my… I'm just making a statement. I think it's great, and I think they have a meeting this week, and you should go.

410
00:52:56.770 --> 00:53:07.160
Town of Plainfield: introduce yourself and whatnot. But, you know, Tammy, the point is taken is, like, we just learned this, we should always publish when there are vacancies.

411
00:53:07.160 --> 00:53:10.969
Town of Plainfield: On committees to allow the widest possible participation, so…

412
00:53:11.180 --> 00:53:31.220
Town of Plainfield: All right. Can we move on to Lawrence? Lawrence. I was gonna say… yes? Name? Is it Russ or Ross? Okay. And then are you… And then, are you free this Wednesday at 5 p.m?

413
00:53:31.220 --> 00:53:32.859
Town of Plainfield: The day after Chamberg's happened.

414
00:53:32.860 --> 00:53:45.360
Town of Plainfield: That is when the Housing Advisory Committee is next meeting, on the Goddard campus. I think they've been in the Clock Tower, which is behind the Hay Barn theater. I've yet to make it up that way, so…

415
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:53.930
Town of Plainfield: And they're also on Zoom, too, if you want to do it that way. I'm sorry. They're also on Zoom, if you want to do it that way, so, yeah.

416
00:53:54.330 --> 00:53:55.590
Town of Plainfield: Alright.

417
00:53:56.020 --> 00:54:02.739
Town of Plainfield: Accounts payable. I have two dates here in the agenda, 4-28 and 5-6.

418
00:54:06.660 --> 00:54:08.299
Town of Plainfield: I lost my agenda.

419
00:54:09.070 --> 00:54:10.800
Town of Plainfield: Are they in the binder?

420
00:54:11.070 --> 00:54:12.150
Town of Plainfield: Correct.

421
00:54:12.570 --> 00:54:15.379
Town of Plainfield: I'll make a motion to approve.

422
00:54:15.730 --> 00:54:23.939
Town of Plainfield: Accounts payable, dated 4-28, 2026, 5-6-2026, and payroll, 5-7-2026.

423
00:54:24.570 --> 00:54:25.720
Karen Hatcher: I will second that.

424
00:54:31.890 --> 00:54:33.490
Town of Plainfield: Any discussion?

425
00:54:35.590 --> 00:54:39.139
Karen Hatcher: Just appreciation for the work and pulling all of that together.

426
00:54:39.140 --> 00:54:39.790
Town of Plainfield: Appreciate them.

427
00:54:39.790 --> 00:54:41.920
Karen Hatcher: the work that's being done. Thank you.

428
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:59.309
Town of Plainfield: That was the biggest pile of invoices I've ever seen. Tammy gets some love for that, too. It needed a bigger clip, though. It did, and we had to, like, turn it around, and it took us a little bit. Why was you so much?

429
00:54:59.310 --> 00:55:02.159
Town of Plainfield: What? What was your… what was your subjection?

430
00:55:02.250 --> 00:55:24.210
Town of Plainfield: Why was it? Because now we're current. Yeah, pretty, pretty close. The town has a lot of invoices. Well, there were some, there were some past dues, so those are some past due ones all the way back to January. So, as of when you said they were close, I mean, all the ones that were in the shoulder are done, I think.

431
00:55:24.230 --> 00:55:48.790
Town of Plainfield: Like, paying the printer for the town report was one in there that's been there for a while. Yeah, there was… and then there was some that I think people just didn't know what the town couch accounts to put it under, so they kept just skimming over it. So, I took some time, I made some calls, we… Jamie made a call to the printer place to find out whose bill it was, so we…

432
00:55:48.790 --> 00:55:57.229
Town of Plainfield: I think we're doing better. At least with that. The town report bill came… was mailed to us again, I don't know where the original one went.

433
00:55:57.270 --> 00:56:05.250
Town of Plainfield: It was interesting looking through them to see how different people do their coatings.

434
00:56:05.330 --> 00:56:10.060
Town of Plainfield: Some by… some by full numbers, some by partial numbers, some by names.

435
00:56:10.180 --> 00:56:19.089
Town of Plainfield: And as the chart of accounts gets finalized, it will be really, really good to have uniformity there.

436
00:56:19.230 --> 00:56:20.380
Town of Plainfield: It is…

437
00:56:20.580 --> 00:56:26.500
Town of Plainfield: a long road, and we still have a ways to go. Yeah, they're not… nobody's coding our stuff yet, we're doing it.

438
00:56:26.890 --> 00:56:29.479
Town of Plainfield: Anyway. Anyway.

439
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:50.400
Town of Plainfield: And that's probably a good time to remind her that we are going to have, Cynthia at our next Select Board meeting, with another presentation, to sort of update as to where we are on various financial fronts, and there's certainly been a lot of activity there. So, that will be something for the Tuesday the 26th.

440
00:56:51.630 --> 00:57:02.540
Town of Plainfield: All right, so we have, a motion and seconded to approve these two warrants and payroll. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

441
00:57:03.080 --> 00:57:22.630
Town of Plainfield: All right, and that is 5 to nothing. All right. Announce the date for the next Select Board meeting. We… I… we're gonna have a Warn a special meeting for next Monday, special select board meeting, which is, and that'll be…

442
00:57:23.490 --> 00:57:32.789
Town of Plainfield: Did we say 7 to 9, or 6 to 8? 6 to 8, I believe. 6 to 8, I believe so? Or the regular meeting? Local, local concerns meeting.

443
00:57:32.790 --> 00:57:57.229
Town of Plainfield: Which is 6 o'clock, yeah. So this is, this is the flood? Yes, yes, yeah. So that is, local concerns. And again, there will be ways, links, posted that you can make comments, even if you can't attend the meeting, or if you attend the meeting and get home and say, oh, I meant to say that, you know, feel free to do that. But, mostly this will be,

444
00:57:57.490 --> 00:58:22.309
Town of Plainfield: about 20 minutes or so presentation of the process, some of the things that are going on, where next steps are, and then, input. And they really seek this early on. They also warned us that we are likely to hear anything and everything, at this kind of a meeting, and they expect that, so, come with your ideas.

445
00:58:22.310 --> 00:58:26.379
Town of Plainfield: Your comments, your criticisms, your cuts, your questions.

446
00:58:26.380 --> 00:58:27.460
Town of Plainfield: anything.

447
00:58:27.650 --> 00:58:28.420
Town of Plainfield: They endorse.

448
00:58:28.420 --> 00:58:39.500
Karen Hatcher: Peter, I would… Peter, just would add that the link is on the town homepage, under the posting for the local concerns meeting, so folks can access that now.

449
00:58:41.580 --> 00:58:54.510
Town of Plainfield: Alright, so, that's that one. At the following, we normally would have a meeting the fourth Monday, but that's a holiday, so we're gonna move to Tuesday, the 26th.

450
00:58:54.510 --> 00:59:07.240
Town of Plainfield: But we would also like to warn a special Select Board and Water Wastewater Commission meeting for 5.30 that evening, and that is to open the bids

451
00:59:07.290 --> 00:59:22.269
Town of Plainfield: for the FEMA project on Recreation Field Road. That has to be done by the Select Board, according to our procurement policy, but really the expertise here is from Water and Wastewater, so…

452
00:59:22.270 --> 00:59:31.929
Town of Plainfield: We have to do that together. We have to open the bids and read them here, and then make the decision. And so hopefully that'll…

453
00:59:32.020 --> 00:59:38.060
Town of Plainfield: take place in about half an hour, and then we can move into the regular select board meeting at 6 o'clock.

454
00:59:41.270 --> 00:59:46.030
Town of Plainfield: Alrighty. Any other questions or announcements?

455
00:59:47.850 --> 00:59:52.140
Town of Plainfield: If not, I would entertain a motion to go into executive session.

456
00:59:53.270 --> 00:59:59.420
Town of Plainfield: Another motion to enter into Executive Session. Personnel? 1VSA313.

457
00:59:59.970 --> 01:00:00.660
Karen Hatcher: a second.

458
01:00:02.160 --> 01:00:10.989
Town of Plainfield: Okay, Francis Brose and Andy. All those in favor, please say aye. Any discussion?

459
01:00:11.250 --> 01:00:17.879
Town of Plainfield: So, I just want to ask, I guess, can you explain to me, because we've been having a lot of these meetings.

460
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:31.420
Town of Plainfield: Okay, you guys going into executive session? Yes, you do. Can you give the town, or I guess the community, an idea of why that's happening? And then also, it seems like there's things that are…

461
01:00:31.450 --> 01:00:44.700
Town of Plainfield: being decided, like, for example, I'm gonna use the example Peter had said, earlier about the changing of the description for the new position.

462
01:00:44.700 --> 01:01:03.180
Town of Plainfield: I don't know how those decisions are being made, and I'm just trying to understand, I guess, where… where I'm missing something, or where I need to find that information, but it feels like we're having these meetings, things are being said that there was no decisions made, but yet…

463
01:01:03.210 --> 01:01:12.639
Town of Plainfield: it feels like we're having decisions made. So I guess if you could just speak to that and tell me, I guess, being on the Slack board, I… I'm aware of

464
01:01:12.640 --> 01:01:28.960
Town of Plainfield: kind of what… I cannot speak very much to personnel issues here. And all I can say is that we are discussing personnel issues, and that is the citation. Absolutely. But when you come out of these meetings.

465
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:33.609
Town of Plainfield: You have to… if a decision was made, and it could be as simple as.

466
01:01:34.030 --> 01:01:38.530
Town of Plainfield: I'll say… a job description, or…

467
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:53.680
Town of Plainfield: you know, anything… telling Mike to do the graffiti, whatever decision you guys made, I'm just kind of saying different things that we've discussed in these meetings, but any decision that is made by the Select Board in that meeting

468
01:01:53.680 --> 01:02:04.719
Town of Plainfield: asked to be publicly acknowledged. No decisions have been made in those meetings? In reference to any… In reference to anything. But how did you make the decision on…

469
01:02:04.720 --> 01:02:07.960
Town of Plainfield: The changing of the description.

470
01:02:08.690 --> 01:02:11.710
Town of Plainfield: Well, this, this was… we have it.

471
01:02:11.710 --> 01:02:12.320
Karen Hatcher: We haven't.

472
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:16.470
Town of Plainfield: We haven't. We haven't yet.

473
01:02:16.570 --> 01:02:24.780
Town of Plainfield: Oh, I thought… maybe I misunderstood. I thought you had said that you had decided… No. …to make that decision. No.

474
01:02:24.780 --> 01:02:41.880
Town of Plainfield: Oh, okay. That has not been made yet. Okay. We… we have a proposal, and we may do that. Okay, so that… and that wouldn't be done in an executive decision, that would be done in public. If we did something, we would come out and make a decision to do that. That would be something… a job description is not…

475
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.000
Town of Plainfield: Something that needs to go in an executive session.

476
01:02:45.330 --> 01:02:50.820
Town of Plainfield: That is not a decision… that's not something you can go into executive session.

477
01:02:51.140 --> 01:02:51.780
Town of Plainfield: Yeah.

478
01:02:51.780 --> 01:03:04.719
Karen Hatcher: I just wonder if I could clarify something. I think, and I wasn't on for the first few minutes of the meeting, so I just want to say that, the only revisions that were made that I'm aware of was for the job ad itself.

479
01:03:04.810 --> 01:03:23.459
Karen Hatcher: And so, the job itself was not amended, but the way we, promoted it at the… in the job ad was different. So, that was the one thing that I'm aware of, but we have not changed any job descriptions at all at this point, right? I just want to be clear. Did I miss something?

480
01:03:23.810 --> 01:03:28.540
Town of Plainfield: No, no, what Karen is talk… what Karen is talking about is,

481
01:03:28.540 --> 01:03:52.800
Town of Plainfield: at the ad that we posted in 7 days, for example, and at the beginning, it sort of describes plain field a little bit, and we tweaked the description of plainfield to say, you know, initially it didn't say we were less than 1,400 people, because we wanted to give people an idea of the scale. And now we're talking about, you know, looking for someone who

482
01:03:54.330 --> 01:04:10.799
Town of Plainfield: has focus and attention to detail, and would like to see that, you know, come to life. But the job description has not changed at all. It's just the… it's just the context. I was just trying to use… these… these meetings aren't to discuss

483
01:04:11.050 --> 01:04:32.420
Town of Plainfield: When you're going to executive session, it is to discuss, but when you come back out, if a decision of any sort is made, it needs to be publicly acknowledged. Absolutely, and to my knowledge, we have never not come out of executive session and not taken

484
01:04:32.630 --> 01:04:50.310
Town of Plainfield: and not announced any actions. In fact, if you go back a couple meetings, we came out of executive session and took 4 or 5 bullet point actions. Any other session that we have come out of, we have not taken any action. So, whether it has to do with an employee, or whether job description, any of that.

485
01:04:50.310 --> 01:05:09.010
Town of Plainfield: A job description shouldn't even be in executive decision, but that… I don't even know how we came up with that job description, or even… It was delegated to two of us to come up, and we did it and circulated it, and that's what the board decided to put out there. That was all done publicly.

486
01:05:09.010 --> 01:05:19.100
Town of Plainfield: Okay. Okay. When we're going into job discussion… we're going into executive session now, we are going into session to discuss personnel issues.

487
01:05:19.890 --> 01:05:29.760
Town of Plainfield: Okay. And if a decision is made… It'll be announced. …and without an employee, it has to be discussed. It has to be disclosed at that time.

488
01:05:30.230 --> 01:05:44.539
Town of Plainfield: A discussion, any decision made, whether it be an email to an employee, whether it be, something in their file, whether it be asking them to do a task, asking,

489
01:05:44.540 --> 01:05:57.090
Town of Plainfield: changing their job description, any of that has to be disclosed in public. And I just… and I'm only questioning, because I don't know if I'm missing something, but it just feels like, in these meetings, I…

490
01:05:57.370 --> 01:06:03.469
Town of Plainfield: I'm not… I've been coming to the meetings. I should be able to follow along, and I'm not sure that I am.

491
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:12.509
Town of Plainfield: Because I'm missing some things, and… and maybe I just misunderstood what you said, Peter, but some of it is just trying to be…

492
01:06:12.520 --> 01:06:30.100
Town of Plainfield: clearer with the community, and I know there's five of you, and it's easy to have a conversation between the two people, and that's an advantage that you had that when I wasn't on the select board, but nevertheless, any conversations should be coming back to the community.

493
01:06:30.290 --> 01:06:41.269
Town of Plainfield: So, what I will say is there was an executive session about a month ago, maybe 6 weeks ago, where we made multiple decisions. Those decisions were published in the minutes of the meeting.

494
01:06:41.350 --> 01:06:54.490
Town of Plainfield: Which is what we're required to do, yeah. So I think we're agreeing with you. And if you go back and look at the minutes, you will see where we come… it says we come out of executive session, and then it lists the decisions that were made, which were moved and voted.

495
01:06:54.500 --> 01:07:06.600
Town of Plainfield: So, I think we're pretty kosher on this, in terms of… Yeah, and you can go back and look and see what's in there. And no decisions have been made since that?

496
01:07:06.700 --> 01:07:09.170
Town of Plainfield: Mine, not that I'm aware of.

497
01:07:10.180 --> 01:07:25.300
Town of Plainfield: So, I'm just going to clearly state, and I don't want to throw Carol under the bus, but she asked me to review an email the other day, and… To help me with… to help her with her task, because she was confused by the task given.

498
01:07:25.690 --> 01:07:32.299
Town of Plainfield: And… I was taken back by the last sentence that was on that task.

499
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:33.890
Town of Plainfield: Emma.

500
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:44.060
Town of Plainfield: and I guess I just haven't heard that in executive meetings, so I don't know when the task was given. I didn't… I guess I didn't look at that.

501
01:07:44.300 --> 01:07:47.389
Town of Plainfield: But it was due on Friday, and I heard…

502
01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:52.410
Town of Plainfield: Multiple times, she was asking for assistance on this task.

503
01:07:52.790 --> 01:08:08.039
Town of Plainfield: But I don't know where the task came about. I don't know… like, it wasn't discussed in the Select Board, it wasn't disclosed that we were going to ask our staff to do these tasks. So how was this task even given, and given with a deadline.

504
01:08:08.460 --> 01:08:10.150
Town of Plainfield: With, honestly, a threat.

505
01:08:11.350 --> 01:08:14.360
Town of Plainfield: With a what? A spread, of writing up.

506
01:08:15.160 --> 01:08:20.980
Town of Plainfield: how does that come about without that being discussed as a sweat board? That's a decision.

507
01:08:21.819 --> 01:08:41.599
Town of Plainfield: And I… and that bothered me, to be very honest. So, I'm trying to be nice and trying not to throw anybody under the bus, but I… I really want to know, because I went to just help Carol and try to help the situation, and to be very honest, stress myself out by the inclination of that email.

508
01:08:42.859 --> 01:08:45.800
Town of Plainfield: So, are you all familiar with EMO?

509
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:49.050
Town of Plainfield: I'd like to speak to that. Okay.

510
01:08:49.569 --> 01:08:56.010
Town of Plainfield: At least in my head, I'll speak for me personally, not on behalf of anybody else.

511
01:08:56.160 --> 01:09:01.429
Town of Plainfield: Sorry, I didn't mean to… I hope you're not… I didn't discuss on Carol that I was not…

512
01:09:01.750 --> 01:09:05.419
Town of Plainfield: Is this my understanding that there is a threshold?

513
01:09:05.529 --> 01:09:15.950
Town of Plainfield: Of policy decision, procedural decision, that going forward, needs to be disclosed coming out of an executive session.

514
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:22.740
Town of Plainfield: That we, in our supervisory role of 10 employees.

515
01:09:23.109 --> 01:09:32.649
Town of Plainfield: There is… there is a certain degree of… Discretion. That we can.

516
01:09:33.050 --> 01:09:36.119
Town of Plainfield: Use, offer, so that we're not.

517
01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:42.429
Town of Plainfield: Bringing all of our employees' business out to the entire town.

518
01:09:42.620 --> 01:09:47.329
Town of Plainfield: Like, the ramifications of doing what you're describing

519
01:09:47.750 --> 01:09:57.219
Town of Plainfield: almost negate why we're going into executive session. You know, and I recognize that where the threshold is in my mind.

520
01:09:57.450 --> 01:09:59.749
Town of Plainfield: May not actually track.

521
01:10:00.060 --> 01:10:02.089
Town of Plainfield: with state regulations.

522
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:17.519
Town of Plainfield: I agree, it's difficult, and I always felt uncomfortable about that. That is why, I mean, to acknowledge, yes, like, that task that you, described, that did come out of executive session.

523
01:10:18.320 --> 01:10:31.289
Town of Plainfield: However, that did not rise to, apparently, any of our levels of threshold about, this needs to be disclosed, because this is an employer-employee matter that

524
01:10:31.930 --> 01:10:40.710
Town of Plainfield: is not town business. That is not, like, for the town's awareness about that level of detail within town business.

525
01:10:41.470 --> 01:11:00.760
Town of Plainfield: So, as much as I hear what you're saying, and I struggled when I was on the Select Board, I totally hear what you're saying, and I understand… I obviously didn't come from… I worked at the credit union, we had that relationship, so I understand, but on the other hand, you also have to step back, and… girls.

526
01:11:01.590 --> 01:11:12.649
Town of Plainfield: not the 5-year select employee. She is an employee of our town. And I think that that, or whether it be Carol, Mike, any of them.

527
01:11:12.930 --> 01:11:18.570
Town of Plainfield: it is something that the town needs to be aware of, and is required. And…

528
01:11:18.990 --> 01:11:28.050
Town of Plainfield: And so these conversations, and the fact that, again, I was reading this email, and without understanding, because we're not having conversations.

529
01:11:28.260 --> 01:11:44.789
Town of Plainfield: here at the Select Board about what's going on. Again, it feels very uncomfortable, you guys consistently going into executive session, that we have that many… we have, I don't know, 8 employees, and we have this many issues.

530
01:11:44.790 --> 01:11:52.930
Town of Plainfield: That it's… it's every meeting, that you're going into an executive session, but nothing comes out. And then to… to…

531
01:11:53.010 --> 01:11:59.510
Town of Plainfield: feel like, I mean, if you're asking for a job description, There's no real…

532
01:12:01.150 --> 01:12:14.360
Town of Plainfield: I guess I'm not sure why that wouldn't have been publicly disclosed. And that way, it could be clear, and, like, I was just trying to help to try to guide her, but that's causing a lot of stress.

533
01:12:14.460 --> 01:12:17.760
Town of Plainfield: And… and I… in this situation.

534
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:36.030
Town of Plainfield: at the town clerk's office is hard. That's why I volunteered my time. It's… they're… they're currently in a situation that they're missing one person. It's putting a lot of work, it's putting a lot of stress on Carol. She's used to a certain way, so all I'm asking for is a little compassion, and…

535
01:12:36.030 --> 01:12:48.389
Town of Plainfield: clarity to the community of what's going on so we can help, or… Let me say this, Tim. We are going through some growing pains.

536
01:12:48.520 --> 01:13:03.340
Town of Plainfield: Moving from a town that had elected town clerk and treasurer to appointed town clerk and treasurer. Those growing pains were made more difficult by the people who preceded in those offices.

537
01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:14.729
Town of Plainfield: And by the health issues of the two people, the town clerk and the treasurer, who came later. Both have led very serious issues.

538
01:13:16.210 --> 01:13:20.479
Town of Plainfield: Neither of those people ever had a job description.

539
01:13:21.620 --> 01:13:40.879
Town of Plainfield: And we struggled with that. We now have a job description and an employment agreement for the town clerk. We now have a job description for a town treasurer financial director position. We don't have an employment agreement yet, because we don't yet have, an employee, person to hire in that position.

540
01:13:41.580 --> 01:13:43.670
Town of Plainfield: Both of those positions.

541
01:13:44.250 --> 01:13:53.239
Town of Plainfield: Have supervisory authority over an assistant. One is required to appoint one, the other may appoint one.

542
01:13:53.660 --> 01:14:06.590
Town of Plainfield: Because of the actual events that occurred, a lot has fallen into Carol's lap, a lot has fallen into the Select Board's lap that shouldn't be in any of our laps.

543
01:14:06.850 --> 01:14:16.420
Town of Plainfield: I agree. And so, we are struggling with that. We have struggled with… By hiring professional assistants, on.

544
01:14:17.030 --> 01:14:23.979
Town of Plainfield: Several limited occasions, Carol Dawes, Patty Lewis, Sarah Macy.

545
01:14:23.980 --> 01:14:42.660
Town of Plainfield: now we're working with Cynthia Stoddard at Nemreck. We're now working with Bonnie Batchelder at that firm. We're about to have an audit firm, so Empowers come in. All of this is designed to get our town finances back in order. We've also engaged a couple of

546
01:14:42.660 --> 01:15:02.340
Town of Plainfield: other consultants to work with, the office dynamics, etc. And we've had assistance from people like Carl Bissex as an engineer to come in with the layout of the office, how to make things better, how to make things work there. We are working on many fronts to try and resolve those issues.

547
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:23.679
Town of Plainfield: I did want to echo what Francis Rose said, that part of this is the fact that as the Select Board, we are the employer of these people, which was not the role that existed two and a half years ago. And so we are learning how to do that. And to do that, you…

548
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:31.610
Town of Plainfield: You… the reason we go into… the reasons we've gone into executive session on personnel issues have varied.

549
01:15:31.610 --> 01:15:44.160
Town of Plainfield: Sometimes they talked about the former town clerk, sometimes they talked about the former town treasurer, sometimes they talked about the current employees, alright? And all of those have to do with the definition of

550
01:15:44.180 --> 01:15:50.540
Town of Plainfield: The roles and responsibilities there. And they are changing, and they will continue to change.

551
01:15:50.780 --> 01:15:52.220
Town of Plainfield: We know that.

552
01:15:52.370 --> 01:16:04.480
Town of Plainfield: You know, we have tried to get everything non-town clerk off of Carol's plate because she's the only person who can concentrate on finances right now.

553
01:16:04.590 --> 01:16:12.250
Town of Plainfield: That, we hope, will change once a full-time treasurer and things can go back. But right now.

554
01:16:12.490 --> 01:16:24.700
Town of Plainfield: We have to deal with, you know, the priorities that present itself, and every day presents new priorities. It's unfortunate. Yeah, Charlie.

555
01:16:25.240 --> 01:16:39.919
Charles Cogbill: Yes, I'd just like to reiterate a little bit of what Tammy said. I also am in the blue on the organizational chart of the town as it sits now.

556
01:16:40.380 --> 01:16:42.829
Charles Cogbill: I would really like to see

557
01:16:43.310 --> 01:16:53.589
Charles Cogbill: All of these consultants, all of these, assistant, jobs, in…

558
01:16:53.730 --> 01:17:10.689
Charles Cogbill: explain to the town of who they're working under. For particular, you said that the assistant town clerk and, at the discretion of the treasurer, the assistant town treasurer, is supervised by the town clerk and the town treasurer.

559
01:17:10.690 --> 01:17:15.960
Charles Cogbill: It seems to me that that supervision has been superseded.

560
01:17:18.620 --> 01:17:21.829
Town of Plainfield: Can you explain that, Charlie? I didn't follow that.

561
01:17:22.900 --> 01:17:28.640
Charles Cogbill: According to statute, The assistant town clerk is appointed

562
01:17:28.780 --> 01:17:37.149
Charles Cogbill: by the, town clerk. That did not change with the appointment of the town clerk.

563
01:17:37.150 --> 01:17:37.880
Town of Plainfield: Correct.

564
01:17:38.420 --> 01:17:40.900
Town of Plainfield: That still saves.

565
01:17:40.900 --> 01:17:43.910
Charles Cogbill: But the state is not clear

566
01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:58.940
Charles Cogbill: about the new appointments and the connection with the old elected positions. The elected positions are gone in this town, for the time being.

567
01:17:58.940 --> 01:18:07.699
Charles Cogbill: However, some of the duties and responsibilities are statutory with the job, and not at the discretion.

568
01:18:07.890 --> 01:18:12.750
Town of Plainfield: And that is correct, Charlie. Absolutely, 100% correct.

569
01:18:12.750 --> 01:18:19.420
Charles Cogbill: And I'd like to see Some sort of organizational chart that makes that clear.

570
01:18:19.670 --> 01:18:36.359
Charles Cogbill: So that the town knows that these positions of town clerk and town treasurer are officers of the town, in addition to being employees of the town, and apparently now supervised and directed

571
01:18:36.360 --> 01:18:40.160
Charles Cogbill: by the Select Board as employees. They still

572
01:18:40.160 --> 01:18:53.940
Charles Cogbill: are… have duties and responsibilities as elected positions that go beyond, that supersede whatever the town select board chooses. It's… it's… it's vague.

573
01:18:54.230 --> 01:19:00.190
Charles Cogbill: It's ambiguous. It's developing. The state hasn't clearly stated what this is.

574
01:19:00.320 --> 01:19:11.539
Town of Plainfield: Well, you are absolutely correct there, too, and in fact, our attorney, in writing out the, employment agreement for Jamie,

575
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:34.220
Town of Plainfield: told us that, in fact, the state legislature, the state has not kept up with the trends of moving toward from elected to appointed. And so we work with the best legal advice that we can get, which we often get in executive session. That is something that has often occurred in executive session.

576
01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:37.749
Charles Cogbill: But that has not been conveyed to the town.

577
01:19:39.080 --> 01:19:40.370
Town of Plainfield: Excuse me?

578
01:19:40.370 --> 01:19:43.440
Charles Cogbill: That has not been conveyed to the town.

579
01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:52.099
Charles Cogbill: The townspeople deserve to know Who their officers are, what their responsibilities are.

580
01:19:52.530 --> 01:20:12.050
Charles Cogbill: And if they change, they want to know when they change. I agree, we're in flux. It's hard to say what the answer will be, but it would be very possible to say what the answer is today, and if you go into executive session, or if you make decisions.

581
01:20:12.130 --> 01:20:27.180
Charles Cogbill: Such as, deciding a new task, deciding that, the town clerk should, supervise the assistant clerk. Could you please tell the town, in open session, that you have decided that?

582
01:20:27.300 --> 01:20:35.569
Town of Plainfield: Well, the town clerk supervises the assistant town clerk, whether the town clerk is elected or appointed. That's a matter of fact.

583
01:20:37.120 --> 01:20:45.980
Charles Cogbill: Yes, but apparently right now, the assistant town clerk is being supervised by two different bodies.

584
01:20:45.980 --> 01:20:56.070
Town of Plainfield: The assistant treasurer is being supervised by the select board, because the assistant treasurer is legally the treasurer.

585
01:20:56.350 --> 01:20:57.570
Town of Plainfield: At the moment.

586
01:20:57.570 --> 01:21:02.100
Charles Cogbill: Has the town been… been told that Carol I assume.

587
01:21:02.220 --> 01:21:05.390
Charles Cogbill: Is the official interim treasurer?

588
01:21:05.700 --> 01:21:16.939
Town of Plainfield: That has been, by law, the assistant treasurer must assume the duties of the treasurer when the treasurer becomes vacant. We have said that several times.

589
01:21:17.340 --> 01:21:22.410
Charles Cogbill: Would you say right now, is the Assistant Treasurer serving as the Treasurer of the town?

590
01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:26.639
Town of Plainfield: Not to my knowledge. Yes. Okay.

591
01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:30.800
Town of Plainfield: I have not been trained for that.

592
01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:33.460
Town of Plainfield: We know.

593
01:21:33.810 --> 01:21:34.360
Town of Plainfield: M&…

594
01:21:35.480 --> 01:21:54.340
Town of Plainfield: But I think that these… this conversation tells you that our community doesn't understand what you guys are doing, and that was my point, that I think we… and our job descriptions, like, that shouldn't have been done in an executive session, and one of the things that I…

595
01:21:54.340 --> 01:22:03.060
Town of Plainfield: working at the town, I continue to hear that's not in my job description. I… if we have not put in our job description.

596
01:22:03.230 --> 01:22:28.179
Town of Plainfield: that any other task… I know my job description at the credit union has… Other duties as assigned. Exactly. There is no, that's not my job description, right? If you need to go and sweep off the porch, you need to go sweep off the porch, right? I mean, it's just like the water crew coming and moving fire cabinets. Tammy, I would say this. We go into executive session to discuss personnel issues when we make

597
01:22:28.180 --> 01:22:51.329
Town of Plainfield: a decision, we come out, we make those decisions publicly, and we announce those publicly. You know as well as I do that many people do not read the minutes of the Select Board meetings or any other meetings in town. Some people, some people do, and some people come. Part of our challenge, particularly on the financial side, where most of our challenges

598
01:22:51.330 --> 01:23:03.089
Town of Plainfield: arise at the moment. Not only because of the flooding, but that has added orders of magnitude to the scale of the problems, and the accountability for which this town must

599
01:23:03.100 --> 01:23:10.549
Town of Plainfield: take responsibility. And has not done well in the last 3 years.

600
01:23:10.550 --> 01:23:33.779
Town of Plainfield: We have made it a point to have Cynthia come and speak to the public about that, and have scheduled her again at our next meeting to come and do that, to do exactly what you're asking for, because we do believe that the people of the town need to understand the financial status and the challenges that that presents to us.

601
01:23:33.780 --> 01:23:55.709
Town of Plainfield: the systems and the personnel who work for us. And the best way to do that is to have the professional who's helping us design those systems and implement those systems explain it. We are not often the best messengers of what can be, you know, described as professional expertise, and so that's why we're trying to do that.

602
01:23:55.910 --> 01:24:05.589
Town of Plainfield: And, you know, we cannot do it on every issue at every meeting, and so we have to try and plan how to best present all of that.

603
01:24:06.050 --> 01:24:08.060
Town of Plainfield: Karen has a question, too.

604
01:24:08.370 --> 01:24:09.600
Town of Plainfield: Yes, Karen?

605
01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:28.439
Karen Hatcher: If I may, I just want to say that, part of the challenge that we're in the middle of right now is that we are building the plane while we're flying the plane, and we are without a pilot in one of the… in one of the key, you know, like, we're without a co-pilot. So it's like…

606
01:24:28.610 --> 01:24:31.410
Karen Hatcher: In a perfect world,

607
01:24:31.750 --> 01:24:43.069
Karen Hatcher: We would have all the job descriptions done, everybody would know exactly what's expected, we'd all know our roles exactly right, we'd know what things have to be talked about in public, all that. But we have…

608
01:24:43.260 --> 01:25:01.790
Karen Hatcher: two new select board members, we've got, you know, people missing, we've got, you know, so… and we've got all this financial upheaval that, Tammy, you've seen, you know, it's not… the system isn't working, and so we're trying to fix the system, and we're trying to make sure everybody's comfortable with it.

609
01:25:01.790 --> 01:25:06.819
Karen Hatcher: And we know change is hard, and we're trying to get it right, so I just would really ask

610
01:25:06.910 --> 01:25:11.430
Karen Hatcher: for some… some,

611
01:25:11.660 --> 01:25:20.540
Karen Hatcher: you know, some patience and some, good graces, you know, to hold us… we're in this together, this is hard work, and we're trying to get it right, so I just…

612
01:25:20.620 --> 01:25:39.239
Karen Hatcher: Like, let's keep figuring it out together, but know that we're not trying to hide anything, and we're trying to do the best job for the town all the way around, but it's like, this is… we're in this every day, all day, most of us, and just your patience and forbearance is appreciated.

613
01:25:40.090 --> 01:25:59.029
Town of Plainfield: So that being said, I appreciate that. Tammy, Tammy, sorry, I would just like to say that whenever they said in the rules, the state, that the assistant treasurer becomes the treasurer, the treasurer position now, and you find this in all the towns, the cities, it's more like a financial director.

614
01:26:01.390 --> 01:26:15.270
Town of Plainfield: I don't want this all to be public. It's more of a financial director type of job, and I have never been trained on the town side of things. I always had certain things. I've been doing them for 32 years now.

615
01:26:15.520 --> 01:26:29.770
Town of Plainfield: And I think I've done my job very well, what I was asked to do, what I was expected to do. Sometimes the other time work is out 2 months, I can carry it on. But I'm being asked to do stuff now that I haven't been trained in.

616
01:26:30.050 --> 01:26:31.810
Town of Plainfield: Know nothing about.

617
01:26:32.050 --> 01:26:43.549
Town of Plainfield: I've done my best, I've kept it together. Previous treasurer would come to me at the end of the day, we would do things together. I have no treasurer. I'm not a director of finance.

618
01:26:44.340 --> 01:26:49.790
Town of Plainfield: But that's… a lot of towns just sort of have, like, the… treasure title, but they're not…

619
01:26:49.890 --> 01:26:54.430
Town of Plainfield: who are using it, they have a director of finance, and that's not me.

620
01:26:55.500 --> 01:26:58.299
Town of Plainfield: So, I really don't think that I've…

621
01:26:59.540 --> 01:27:01.559
Town of Plainfield: I didn't apply for the treasure, though.

622
01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:18.280
Town of Plainfield: So I want to start by saying, Carol, you've got more knowledge than most of us here about the town, and you can add some confidence in that, because I think that if it wasn't for you, that we would all be in trouble. So, that being said…

623
01:27:18.280 --> 01:27:34.149
Town of Plainfield: We have your back, that's why we're all here. In reference to what Karen said, you know, I appreciate that, and I appreciate the patience in giving you guys that, but I also want some understanding that if something's not quite right, we… we…

624
01:27:34.150 --> 01:27:52.260
Town of Plainfield: need to speak up, and you guys need to hear that, because that's the only way change is gonna happen. So, I spoke up, and I was trying to nicely ask questions. I did not mean to bring out the email. I think that the key to my questions were, you know, there's a lot of these.

625
01:27:52.260 --> 01:27:54.790
Town of Plainfield: And I'm asking that you guys

626
01:27:55.120 --> 01:28:13.340
Town of Plainfield: think about what I said today, and understand that as much as we're all learning, we need to learn from that, and be open to the community, and know that your responsibility is to come out of those executive sessions and let the community know what's going on.

627
01:28:13.400 --> 01:28:28.719
Town of Plainfield: And job descriptions, anything that does not pertain to personal information should not be discussed in executive session. That's not one of the rightful things, so if you guys haven't looked at the executive session and what should be in there.

628
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:37.079
Town of Plainfield: then I would recommend that you all do, because you're all kind of holding each other accountable for what should be discussed in executive session.

629
01:28:37.150 --> 01:28:58.939
Town of Plainfield: So that being said, in reference to, again, the job description, if we can add the clause in there, if that's not in there at this point, that would be helpful, I think, for everybody just to know we are… you're working for the community, and we're all in this together, and so, Karen, you're right.

630
01:28:58.940 --> 01:29:03.590
Town of Plainfield: I, I totally get it, being on the select board for the first year, and…

631
01:29:03.590 --> 01:29:16.450
Town of Plainfield: has your plate… you have your plate full, because everything you guys are dealing with is a lot, and nobody… you didn't sign up for that. And so, we do appreciate what you're trying to do. I just ask that,

632
01:29:16.450 --> 01:29:24.629
Town of Plainfield: we stop and just consider it's difficult for everybody, and as I just indicated, Carol is our rock right now.

633
01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:42.950
Town of Plainfield: And we need to appreciate that, and evaluate what stress that is causing. So, be a little more sensitive to how things are being presented, and being… how we're discussing stuff. Be a little more open-minded, stop and listen, and…

634
01:29:43.480 --> 01:29:57.029
Town of Plainfield: I think that things would go a little bit easier for everybody. And Tammy didn't stick her nose in at work or anything, I… I just sat in the back office. I reached out to her after hours and offered to hire her, because I was trying to hire

635
01:29:57.390 --> 01:30:08.760
Town of Plainfield: to help me with that additional half. That's how much I did not understand it. And I probably had 12 people look at it, and then I offered Tammy, whatever your rate is, I would like to pay you to help you with this.

636
01:30:09.500 --> 01:30:18.729
Town of Plainfield: Which I did not take. No, of course she didn't take any money from me, but it wasn't done on a town time, it was on our own money. I would only add that,

637
01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:35.780
Town of Plainfield: I think it was Andy who replied to an email the other day saying, the ever-present, or something like that, executive session on this coming agenda. There is no one who would like to see that disappear from the agenda more than I would. However, we're not there yet.

638
01:30:36.670 --> 01:30:39.420
Town of Plainfield: And, I'll just leave it at that.

639
01:30:43.500 --> 01:30:47.989
Town of Plainfield: I would entertain a motion to go into executive session. That already happened.

640
01:30:47.990 --> 01:30:48.879
Karen Hatcher: You already have it.

641
01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:52.530
Town of Plainfield: It was seconded. This was the discussion piece. Alright, thank you.

642
01:30:52.530 --> 01:30:53.090
Karen Hatcher: You need to vote.

643
01:30:53.090 --> 01:31:03.190
Town of Plainfield: And so who… so who moved that? Francis Rose and Andy, do you seconded it? Sure. Okay. Alright, all those in favor, say aye.

644
01:31:03.190 --> 01:31:03.540
Karen Hatcher: Bye.

645
01:31:03.800 --> 01:31:05.550
Town of Plainfield: Opposed?

646
01:31:06.100 --> 01:31:07.870
Town of Plainfield: Corbin, thank you.

647
01:31:08.830 --> 01:31:15.090
Town of Plainfield: Thank you, everybody. Thank you. No, you did your job.

648
01:31:16.310 --> 01:31:17.400
Karen Hatcher: Oh, alright, go ahead.

649
01:31:18.440 --> 01:31:19.400
Town of Plainfield: Thank you.

650
01:31:19.580 --> 01:31:22.969
Town of Plainfield: We'll entertain a motion to leave Executive Session.

651
01:31:23.530 --> 01:31:29.189
Karen Hatcher: We'll make it that motion, pursuant to 1VS, whatever the rest of it is.

652
01:31:29.610 --> 01:31:31.500
Town of Plainfield: 13. 313.

653
01:31:31.500 --> 01:31:32.819
Karen Hatcher: V13, thank you.

654
01:31:32.820 --> 01:31:34.240
Town of Plainfield: Yep. Second.

655
01:31:34.620 --> 01:31:37.919
Town of Plainfield: It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor say aye. Aye.

656
01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:38.290
Karen Hatcher: Alright.

657
01:31:38.290 --> 01:31:42.059
Town of Plainfield: Any opposed? And that is passed unanimously.

658
01:31:42.060 --> 01:32:01.219
Town of Plainfield: Is there any action to be taken? Yeah, I have a motion to approve the treasurer slash Finance Director job posting as amended, and attached to the minutes of this meeting, and to continue advertising for the position in 7 days for 2 additional weeks.

659
01:32:01.870 --> 01:32:02.730
Town of Plainfield: Thank you.

660
01:32:02.730 --> 01:32:05.370
Karen Hatcher: Thank you. Can we read?

661
01:32:05.940 --> 01:32:09.650
Karen Hatcher: Can we read the, additional verbiage at the top of the ad?

662
01:32:15.120 --> 01:32:39.140
Town of Plainfield: Let's. Okay, read the whole thing now. Town Treasurer and Finance Director, Town of Plainfield, Vermont. Are you a big picture thinker, with keen attention to detail? Are you a systems person who loves when tasks are completed and the numbers balance? Are you someone who can stay focused amidst the hands-on nature of day-to-day municipal government? Would you like to use your analytical skills to make a big impact?

663
01:32:39.290 --> 01:32:54.149
Town of Plainfield: The town of Plainfield, population 1400, a quirky small town in central Vermont that has been heroically dealing with the aftermath of two years of historic flooding, is looking to fill a key position in our town office.

664
01:32:54.210 --> 01:33:09.620
Town of Plainfield: The Town Treasurer and Finance Director position combines the statutory responsibility of the Town Treasurer with big-picture support of the Town Select Board as it steers the Town through major recovery projects to a stable and sustainable future.

665
01:33:10.480 --> 01:33:11.509
Karen Hatcher: Thank you, Peter.

666
01:33:13.780 --> 01:33:17.679
Town of Plainfield: Thank you, Karen. You're welcome.

667
01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:19.070
Karen Hatcher: We need a vote.

668
01:33:19.070 --> 01:33:28.110
Town of Plainfield: I seconded it. Seconded Andy's motion. Andy moved, and Rose seconded. Any further discussion?

669
01:33:28.630 --> 01:33:32.150
Town of Plainfield: Nope, alright. All those in favor, say aye. Aye.

670
01:33:32.150 --> 01:33:32.900
Karen Hatcher: Aye.

671
01:33:33.160 --> 01:33:34.880
Town of Plainfield: Aye. Opposed?

672
01:33:35.110 --> 01:33:40.849
Town of Plainfield: All right, 5 to nothing. Thank you. Motion to adjourn. It's been moved to adjourn.

673
01:33:40.850 --> 01:33:41.360
Karen Hatcher: Second.

674
01:33:41.360 --> 01:33:46.550
Town of Plainfield: Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye.

675
01:33:46.830 --> 01:33:47.330
Karen Hatcher: Thank you, A.

676
01:33:47.330 --> 01:33:53.080
Town of Plainfield: Thank you all. Karen, we'll move a few chairs in your honor.

